Curse

Ellix Cantero · Nov 13, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

Casters not casting when backfire is used on them?
Enemies stop attacking when empathy is cast on them?
Monsters going AROUND traps to avoid them?
Enemies not using skills when hit by diversion?
Monks ALWAYS being the primary target in PvE...just like in PvP?
The last monster running a marathon around the desert because he wants to drag it out as long as possible...hoping that we get bored?
All monsters carrying a res signet? OMFG!

Yes it would be quite horrible if the npcs acted a bit more like a real person might in the same situation

Ellix Cantero · Nov 13, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Lynx Of Ithorian

I mean no good ele brings aoe spells into pvp because players simply move out the way ...

Not true, most good pvp team builds will have at least one ele with a couple of AOE spells for things such as dislodging enemy teams on alters. AOE can be useful against real players *because* it causes them to scatter.

kareel · Nov 13, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by apocalypse_xx

I decided on WOW today too, I am sick and tired of anets obsession with getting rid of solo play, I love the post up above a little about how AoE still works, of course it does, but I guess the author hasn't noticed yet that most complaints are coming from people who actually ENJOY solo play...not teams!!!!

I was refering to Ileania's Stop Whining post,haha is all I have to say...lol, slowing abilities...there is a new one

I want to take this moment to laugh at you.
As someone with experience with WoW, please invite me along when you go to the molten core. Not so I can assist you, since you like to solo, but so I can laugh as you try to solo and get raped.

Relativity, people.

~ KDS

PS: Clearly the obvious answer is that we need to replace all monsters with varying levels and types of Tengu.

I suspect that this will make gameplay much easier.
[/sarcasm]

aron searle · Nov 13, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Ileania

snip / i dont understand how people that enjoy rpg could get upset that they are trying to improve the ai, the bases of you tacics and skill decisions.

Because they mucked it up completly and its NOT imporoved the AI.

Go troll farming with balths, this is what i saw. (and this is just one example of the buggy AI).

I get 10 trolls attacking me, i hit balths arua. Now they start running away / then back / then away / then back

2 of them just stood there INSIDE of the aoe, doing nothing.

thats just one reason why im upset.

Also farming is now slower and more grinder, YES when im in a team i want intelligent enemies (which these arnt). but farming is also part of the game, and its now slow and boring and not worth the effort, it used to be fun.

But then i wouldnt solo at all, if the drops in groups didnt suck so hard.

Yamat · Nov 13, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

kareel, I am so with you on this point. I don't understand why people think they should be able to solo the high level areas. There isn't a single MMO out there where you can do that.

ANet accidentally let an exploit through and are now trying to fix it.

Loviatar · Nov 13, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Ileania

Now with the title of mmorpg there is obviously some gear towards rpging i dont understand how people that enjoy rpg could get upset that they are trying to improve the ai, the bases of you tacics and skill decisions.

to be honest Anet/NCsoft went out of their way to state that it was not an MMORPG but a CORPG (cooperative online rpg) and it was the reviewers who hung the MMORPG tag on it.

my next guess for a real howl is when they fix the AI so a group of skeleton rangers will follow you around the corner of a building instead of shooting at the wall while you regain energy/health and laugh at how stupid they are

can you imagine the outrage

calamitykell · Nov 13, 2005, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

my next guess for a real howl is when they fix the AI so a group of skeleton rangers will follow you around the corner of a building instead of shooting at the wall while you regain energy/health and laugh at how stupid they are

can you imagine the outrage

Dear god I think I'll stop coming to the forums when that happens.

MarkyX · Nov 13, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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I mean no good ele brings aoe spells into pvp because players simply move out the way

This children, is a sign of a newb in PvP.

entropy · Nov 13, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

to be honest Anet/NCsoft went out of their way to state that it was not an MMORPG but a CORPG (cooperative online rpg) and it was the reviewers who hung the MMORPG tag on it.

my next guess for a real howl is when they fix the AI so a group of skeleton rangers will follow you around the corner of a building instead of shooting at the wall while you regain energy/health and laugh at how stupid they are

can you imagine the outrage

Umm its an mmo. Regardless of what anet tried to do is an mmo. Massive multiplayer online game. It may be different in gameplay than many mmo's but its massive(opinion I guess) multiplayer online and a game. Its am rpg as well is its an mmorpg. Call it what you want doesn't change anything. Always thought it was a lame way to gain customers. The Ai should never be as smart in PvE or even close to players in PvP. Look at epinephrines post its either in thisthread or the other but it was long and explained what everybody is trying to say. An example was that if the ai was smart why would they ever go in groups of 2-3. They will all go and huddle together right inside aggro range for everyone. Therfore you could not aggro 1 without aggroing, well everything.

Guardian of the Light · Nov 13, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

you can attribute those prices on farmers. at least the absorption you can. sup vigor is really just vanity since its only a 9 hp difference and 70k more. not worth it. black dye has always been expensive and peaked at 45k. i think 8.5k is a big improvement since then. now if we can take the farmers out of the picture and deflate the econemy image what those prices would be. just be thankful they capped prices at 100k. absorption woud be way past 100k by now if it wasn't capped.

Then why do items like these which are about the same demand cost WAY less.

Ya I know there are a low amount of Sup absorbtion Runes out there but still thats about x10 less the reason why Sup Absorbtion cost so much is because its BASE price is so high

Antc · Nov 13, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

They do see your casting bar, and if it's a long cast they'll respond before the cast is finished. If they didn't, they couldn't interrupt.

Good point, but why should they have the advantage over us in seeing ALL of the casting bars - we can only see what the npc we have targetted is casting, If they run because they see it being cast are we to assume that it just happens that ALL the npc's were targetting the person casting at that second in time? Or should we believe they have a binary version of ts where they tell each other that an AoE is about to be cast? As far as interupting, how did they manage before the update that started showing the casting bar, because i can still remember getting disrupted while casting even when the bar didnt show up.

Yamat · Nov 13, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by entropy

An example was that if the ai was smart why would they ever go in groups of 2-3. They will all go and huddle together right inside aggro range for everyone. Therfore you could not aggro 1 without aggroing, well everything.

Because there is a balance between "smart" and "fun"; this is still a game. You are grossly outnumbered on every quest and mission.

I still want the monsters I face to have some level of intelligence and some sense of self-preservation... what's the point in lawnmowering through a game?

Now if the enemy was really smart they'd have healers, mesmers, rangers, ele's, necros and warriors in every group. But then combat would takes ages and everyone would start complaining again...

dan26ntn · Nov 13, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

The reason to farm is to get gold and good items right.. why not make high end quests for these uber runes and items...say u save the dwarf prince in mineral springs from a strong party of mursaat or avicara. The reward is one choice on a list of items ,..gold / superior whatever. or make it so u have to do several quests to earn that perfect axe.. what floating eye ball is gonna be carrying a warhammer anyway??

calamitykell · Nov 13, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Yamat

Because there is a balance between "smart" and "fun"; this is still a game. You are grossly outnumbered on every quest and mission.

I still want the monsters I face to have some level of intelligence and some sense of self-preservation... what's the point in lawnmowering through a game?

Now if the enemy was really smart they'd have healers, mesmers, rangers, ele's, necros and warriors in every group. But then combat would takes ages and everyone would start complaining again...

Wouldn't take ages. Death Penalty would be accumulated faster than you can count due to the Tank+Monk+Nuke demand.

Yamat · Nov 13, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by dan26ntn

The reason to farm is to get gold and good items right.. why not make high end quests for these uber runes and items...say u save the dwarf prince in mineral springs from a strong party of mursaat or avicara. The reward is one choice on a list of items ,..gold / superior whatever. or make it so u have to do several quests to earn that perfect axe.. what floating eye ball is gonna be carrying a warhammer anyway??

Nice idea... post it in Sardelac Sanitarium.

entropy · Nov 13, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

That's another complaint I have. I don't want halfway jobs. If they are going to make the ai smart sure include every class in a group. But lower the levels. Then it would get interesting. Now its still chaos and this update didn't help improve anything.

I pwnd U · Nov 13, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

ok all this complaining is annoying me first of all i will admit i was one of the bigger complainers about these updates. and yes i stil dislike them but i respect anet for trying to fix somthing taht was broken. thoguh they failed to correct it i give them credit for trying. so plz lets all stop complaining and just learn how to play the game w/ the new update. now maybe more people will pvp and or gvg

Guardian of the Light · Nov 13, 2005, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I'd like to add that Anet has added an PvP ideal into PvE which isn't making PvEers happy.

This is the stupidest thing to introduce before Anet releases Chapter 2 because player may choose to play something else and not spent their money on Chapter 2

This game is sposed to be based on SKILL. Farming req. a lot of skill and rewarded you kindly if you did it right. So getting rid of it is kind of like going against what Guild Wars is based on.

This is the most flamed update I think Guild Wars has ever seen. Over 1000 posts on this thread (75% of which are against I think) and this is showing no sign of calming down.

I have never seen any pentions against farming BEFORE this update if there are any can someone give me a link.

If Anet is so against Farming they should put Quests that give a large amount of gold to replace it or take one of the many suggestion found in the suggest forums.

Torment · Nov 13, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

ok all this complaining is annoying me first of all i will admit i was one of the bigger complainers about these updates. and yes i stil dislike them but i respect anet for trying to fix somthing taht was broken. thoguh they failed to correct it i give them credit for trying. so plz lets all stop complaining and just learn how to play the game w/ the new update. now maybe more people will pvp and or gvg

Why try PvP or GvG? What is sooooo appealing about it? I've tried and met with some success. But I prefer PvE, following the story and so on. If that was there goal, to try and get others to play the PvP side, bad idea. It won't work for the majority of people out there.

I pwnd U · Nov 13, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33

like i said they failed to correct what they were trying to do and possibly it could make more people try pvping or gvging(which has more point thanks to the guild ladder)